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Actually recent studies from relocated and taged snakes have found that a significant percentage of snakes relocated out of their small home / foraging range don't make it to the following year. Due to being unfamiliar with the new area and not knowing where the resources are like prey , watering spots, safe parking areas, protection / cover from predators and dens for winter brumation. I can try to add a pdf that explainsone of the studies done if you are intrested.

Thank you! Totally enjoyed your video and learned a lot. I hear their calls all the time out here in the desert, and never was quite sure which bird I was hearing. I so appreciated all your different calls! 👍

EXCELLENT!!!!

EXCELLENT!!!!

40 snares but only 1 catch a week? Doesn't that sound like a little too low?

Thank you for this we have two large groups of quail that have taken up on our 2.5 acre farm in California, they have been gone since the fire back in 2016

This gentleman is extremely well spoken. His passion for the protection of nature is admirable. We are truly a very fortunate continent.

LOL....great video.Recently tried quail hunting and have come up empty so far with my young lab. We both have a lot of learning to do. This video had a great amount of info in it, and enjoyed the GSP vs setter comment too. I neeed to get out of the vehicle and LISTEN more for sure. I went with a lab because I'm hoping to flush some pheasants, find some quail, retrieve some dove, and in late season hunt ducks and cranes (im in west texas and I don't think very far from your ranch location) if i'm correct. For May/Jun walks before daylight, assume snake boots/chaps are a requirement for ya?

Thank you for the informational video!

Hello, I know this comment has nothing to do in the vid. But I remember that ONE of you guys came to my school:)

I never get tired of seeing this video and finding parts of it that apply to my life. As a Georgia Giant BW Quail grower the WORST sound I can hear is the flight. That Flutter means I'll be walking around like a Dummy with a butterfly net trying to catch the invisible bird! Fortunately for me, mine have become more tame and really do wish to be back with their family. Just so flighty they couldn't help themselves! After they're out, it B like...WTF? How do I get back home? But, They are Georgia Giants....Game Warden said I don't have to pull a permit for them. Domesticated birds, he said. I said, Ok. :) I had to ask. If I ever get Busted for anything, it shouldn't be quail! JS! :)) My daughter can mimic a red tailed hawk well. I've seen chickens stop and drop, but it's not a good idea to do that around my dogs. They'll roll you over looking for that Damned bird! If they do, you'll have earned it for teasing the dogs! :))

They just want to oil or crush out on them to get rid of the parasites

Always great

Were do you get bob white

Could you possibly make a live or video that shows you building these snares step by step? Thanks for your help

Wow! What a talent!

Great video well researched. Would this work on the trail being feed andif they were being feed would you set the snare lower

anybody looked up chestnut wood-quail sound and got this?

Can you please write out the name of the invasive grass? It's hard to understand how you're saying it.

Excellent. Learning hunting birds.

Hello

This is great information, as i live and hunt around Angelina and Trinity county. looking at the the habitat here and the ideal habitat in the video it is easy to see the turkeys struggle in these areas. i have a lease that borders Alabama Creek WMA ive seen a few birds over the years hiking the forest side and i have to agree with the raccoons i put feeder pens up for deer to keep hogs out. i kill as many hogs as i can via trapping and hunting. On my game cameras over my pens raccoons and crows are seen to munch the corn. i figured the coons were getting to the nests i had no idea about the crows.

This is so good! Love this video. I just heard a LOT of birds making a sound I'm trying to identify. I don't think this video helped but it was definitely worth a listen. I'm hoping by subscribing to this channel I'll learn a lot more!

The IRS has prevailed in more than three dozen conservation easement disputes in the Tax Court over the past year alone. On 9 July 2020, the Tax Court handed the IRS victories in four conservation easement disputes on the same day, on the basis that none of the easements were protected 'in perpetuity' under Code Section 170(h)(5)(A). The cases are: Englewood Place v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2020-105, Maple Landing v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2020-104, Riverside Place v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2020-103, and Village At Effingham v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2020-102. Lance Wallach receives hundreds of calls annually to help people fight the IRS and get their money back from the promoters of these scams. Google Lance Wallach and your advisor, who do you trust? 516-236-8440 wallachinc@gmail.com

The IRS has repeatedly warned that partners involved in targeted syndicated conservation easements face the imposition of penalties, which could include: · An accuracy-related penalty under section 6662 (calculated in many cases at a 40 percent rate) · Alternatively, an accuracy-related penalty under section 6662A (calculated at either the 20 percent rate or 30 percent rate in the case of a nondisclosed transaction). · The 75 percent civil fraud penalty under section 6663, in appropriate cases. Lance Wallach receives hundreds of calls annually to help people fight the IRS and get their money back from the promoters of these scams. Google Lance Wallach and your advisor, who do you trust? 516-236-8440 wallachinc@gmail.com

The Internal Revenue Service has yet again publicly reiterated its commitment to challenge syndicated conservation easement transactions-transactions that it has, in recent years, labeled as “listed” transactions, tax-speak for “buyer beware.” In a recent press release, the IRS warned yet again that it believes that these easement deductions are “abusive transactions” and hinted that taxpayers can expect to face “new arguments” from its arsenal of legal theories. To add insult to injury, the IRS further cautioned that its newly-established “Office of Fraud Enforcement and the National Fraud Counsel are coordinating . . . to canvas cases for additional fraud considerations,” including civil fraud penalties and referrals to criminal investigation. The stakes, in other words, remain high for participants in syndicated conservation easement transactions. Lance Wallach receives hundreds of calls annually to help people fight the IRS and get their money back from the promoters of these scams. Google Lance Wallach and your advisor, who do you trust? 516-236-8440 wallachinc@gmail.com

The IRS previously identified certain syndicated conservation easements as “listed transactions” under Notice 2017-10-specifically, transactions for which investors in pass-through entities receive promotional material offering the possibility of a charitable contribution deduction worth at least two and half times their investment. Today’s release indicates that for many of these transactions, the deduction taken is significantly higher than 250% of the investment. Syndicated conservation easements were included on the IRS’s 2019 “dirty dozen” list of tax scams to avoid. Contact Lance Wallach before it's too late 516-236-8440 wallachinc@gmail.com

The IRS previously identified certain syndicated conservation easements as “listed transactions” under Notice 2017-10-specifically, transactions for which investors in pass-through entities receive promotional material offering the possibility of a charitable contribution deduction worth at least two and half times their investment. Today’s release indicates that for many of these transactions, the deduction taken is significantly higher than 250% of the investment. Syndicated conservation easements were included on the IRS’s 2019 “dirty dozen” list of tax scams to avoid. Contact Lance Wallach before it's too late. 516-236-8440 wallachinc@gmail.com

Conservation easements and Captive insurance, here comes the IRS With the increased reporting requirements, IRS audits of CONSERVATION easement transactions have greatly increased. Instead of working collaboratively with taxpayers to seek a reasonable resolution, Revenue Agents are being directed to disallow deductions no matter what. With a high percentage of cases headed to litigation, taxpayers need to take every step to protect themselves now. Contact the office of Lance Wallach 516-236-8440 wallachinc@gmail.com

Conservation easements and Captive insurance, here comes the IRS With the increased reporting requirements, IRS audits of CONSERVATION easement transactions have greatly increased. Instead of working collaboratively with taxpayers to seek a reasonable resolution, Revenue Agents are being directed to disallow deductions no matter what. With a high percentage of cases headed to litigation, taxpayers need to take every step to protect themselves now. Contact the offices of Lance Wallach 516-236-8440 wallachinc@gmail.com

On Monday, December 21, 2020, Stein and Corey Agee of Atlanta, Georgia entered guilty pleas in federal court to conspiracy charges related to their roles in syndicated conservation easement transactions. These are the first guilty pleas related to the continuing IRS and Department of Justice criminal investigations across the country pertaining to easement transactions. In December 2017, the IRS issued Notice 2017-10, designating certain syndicated conservation easements as “listed transactions,” which are subject to significant scrutiny. The IRS has since announced syndicated conservation easement transactions as an area of focus for enforcement, by launching a Large Business & International Division (“LB&I”) compliance campaign in September 2018 and by including these transactions on the IRS’s annual “Dirty Dozen” list of tax scams in 2019 and 2020. In November 2019, with IR-2019-182, the IRS announced a “significant increase in enforcement actions,” explaining that coordinated examinations were being conducted by three IRS divisions: LB&I, Small Business & Self-Employed (“SBSE”), and Tax Exempt and Government Entities (“TGE”). The IRS also noted that it was working closely with the Department of Justice to pursue wrongdoers. The IRS explained they would be casting a broad net, pursuing those who promoted, assisted (e.g., appraisers and return prepayers), or participated in the transactions. Increased enforcement has resulted in many IRS victories in conservation easement cases. On October 1, 2020, IRS news release IR-2020-228 emphasized the IRS’s continued efforts to combat abusive syndicated conservation easement transactions. Lance Wallach has received hundreds of phone calls to fight the IRS and sue the promoters of these easement scams. call 516-236-8440. As an expert witness Lance Wallach has never lost a case. Google him and your advisor, Who do YOU trust. wallachinc@gmail.com

On Monday, December 21, 2020, Stein and Corey Agee of Atlanta, Georgia entered guilty pleas in federal court to conspiracy charges related to their roles in syndicated conservation easement transactions. These are the first guilty pleas related to the continuing IRS and Department of Justice criminal investigations across the country pertaining to easement transactions. In December 2017, the IRS issued Notice 2017-10, designating certain syndicated conservation easements as “listed transactions,” which are subject to significant scrutiny. The IRS has since announced syndicated conservation easement transactions as an area of focus for enforcement, by launching a Large Business & International Division (“LB&I”) compliance campaign in September 2018 and by including these transactions on the IRS’s annual “Dirty Dozen” list of tax scams in 2019 and 2020. In November 2019, with IR-2019-182, the IRS announced a “significant increase in enforcement actions,” explaining that coordinated examinations were being conducted by three IRS divisions: LB&I, Small Business & Self-Employed (“SBSE”), and Tax Exempt and Government Entities (“TGE”). The IRS also noted that it was working closely with the Department of Justice to pursue wrongdoers. The IRS explained they would be casting a broad net, pursuing those who promoted, assisted (e.g., appraisers and return prepayers), or participated in the transactions. Increased enforcement has resulted in many IRS victories in conservation easement cases. On October 1, 2020, IRS news release IR-2020-228 emphasized the IRS’s continued efforts to combat abusive syndicated conservation easement transactions. Lance Wallach has received hundreds of phone calls to fight the IRS and sue the promoters of these easement scams. call 516-236-8440. As an expert witness Lance Wallach has never lost a case. Google him and your advisor, Who do YOU trust. wallachinc@gmail.com

About 84 percent of syndicated easements were in some stage of an IRS audit, according to the finance committee report, Another IRS audit target is captive insurance. The IRS has long taken note of the rise of micro-captive insurance schemes, placing the scheme on the “Dirty Dozen” of tax schemes to avoid every year since 2014. Their investigations have heated up in recent years. Lance Wallach gets hundred of calls, call 516-236-8440 to help fight the IRS and to sue the salesmen that sold people these scams. As an expert witness his side has never lost a case. Google Lance Wallach and whoever sold you the scam, who do you TRUST. Wallachinc@gmail.com

About 84 percent of syndicated easements were in some stage of an IRS audit, according to the finance committee report, Another IRS audit target is captive insurance. The IRS has long taken note of the rise of micro-captive insurance schemes, placing the scheme on the “Dirty Dozen” of tax schemes to avoid every year since 2014. Their investigations have heated up in recent years. Lance Wallach gets hundred of calls, call 516-236-8440 to help fight the IRS and to sue the salesmen that sold people these scams. As an expert witness his side has never lost a case. Google Lance Wallach and whoever sold you the scam, who do you TRUST. Wallachinc@gmail.com

About 84 percent of syndicated easements were in some stage of an IRS audit, according to the finance committee report, Another IRS audit target is captive insurance. The IRS has long taken note of the rise of micro-captive insurance schemes, placing the scheme on the “Dirty Dozen” of tax schemes to avoid every year since 2014. Their investigations have heated up in recent years. Lance Wallach gets hundred of calls, call 516-236-8440 to help fight the IRS and to sue the salesmen that sold people these scams. As an expert witness his side has never lost a case. Google Lance Wallach and whoever sold you the scam, who do you TRUST. Wallachinc@gmail.com

About 84 percent of syndicated easements were in some stage of an IRS audit, according to the finance committee report, Another IRS audit target is captive insurance. The IRS has long taken note of the rise of micro-captive insurance schemes, placing the scheme on the “Dirty Dozen” of tax schemes to avoid every year since 2014. Their investigations have heated up in recent years. Lance Wallach gets hundred of calls, call 516-236-8440 to help fight the IRS and to sue the salesmen that sold people these scams. As an expert witness his side has never lost a case. Google Lance Wallach and whoever sold you the scam, who do you TRUST. Wallachinc@gmail.com

The IRS released an advance version of Notice 2016-66 that identifies a type of transaction involving a “micro-captive insurance” structure as a “transaction of interest”-i.e., a tax avoidance transaction-for purposes of Reg. section 1.6011-4(b)(6) and sections 6111 and 6112. Notice 2016-66 [PDF 44 KB] states that these “micro-captive transactions” have the potential for tax avoidance or evasion. Taxpayers engaged in these transactions must disclose the transactions. A failure to disclose will be subject to the penalty under section 6707A or section 6707(a). In 2019, the IRS added syndicated conservation easement transactions to its annual "Dirty Dozen" list of tax scams. Lance Wallach has received hundreds of phone calls to fight the IRS, and to get all peoples money back from the promoters that sold these scam tax shelters. As an expert witness Lance Wallach has never lost a case. If you are in a captive or conservation easement and want to be made whole contact Wallachinc@gmail.com or call 516-236-8440. Google Lance Wallach and your advisor. Who do you trust.

The IRS released an advance version of Notice 2016-66 that identifies a type of transaction involving a “micro-captive insurance” structure as a “transaction of interest”-i.e., a tax avoidance transaction-for purposes of Reg. section 1.6011-4(b)(6) and sections 6111 and 6112. Notice 2016-66 [PDF 44 KB] states that these “micro-captive transactions” have the potential for tax avoidance or evasion. Taxpayers engaged in these transactions must disclose the transactions. A failure to disclose will be subject to the penalty under section 6707A or section 6707(a). in 2019, the IRS added syndicated conservation easement transactions to its annual "Dirty Dozen" list of tax scams. Lance Wallach has received hundreds of phone calls to fight the IRS, and to get all peoples money back from the promoters that sold these scam tax shelters. As an expert witness Lance Wallach has never lost a case. If you are in a captive or conservation easement and want to be made whole contact Wallachinc@gmail.com or call 516-236-8440. Google Lance Wallach and your advisor. Who do you trust.

The IRS has been cracking down on conservation easement transactions for over ten years. Nevertheless, taxpayers have continued to claim charitable contribution deductions attributable to the donation of conservation easements and promoters have continued to assemble investments utilizing conservation easement charitable deductions. The IRS began focusing on syndicated conservation easement transactions when it issued Notice 2017-10, designating syndicated conservation easement transactions as listed transactions. These syndicated investments involve the use of partnerships to raise funds from investors, who are allocated a share of a charitable contribution deduction attributable to conservation easements donated on land owned by the partnership. In fall of 2018, the IRS doubled down on its attacks of these investments when syndicated conservation easements were added to the list of LB&I compliance campaigns. While the IRS continues to crack down on these arrangements, taxpayers have continued litigating the finer points of these transactions. On the flipside, DOJ has begun cracking down on promoters who market these transactions. Below are details on the most recent developments. Lawsuits against Promoters The government had has enlisted another tactic for shutting down conservation easements by bringing actions against the organizers of conservation easement syndication schemes. On December 28, 2018, the Department of Justice filed a compliant in the Northern District of Georgia asserting that a group of defendants assembled partnership which were “nothing more than a thinly veiled sale of grossly overvalued federal tax deductions under the guise of investing in a partnership.” The complaint asserts that the defendants’ conservation easement syndicates have generated $2 billion in conservation easement charitable contribution deductions. The complaint seeks to enjoin the defendants from continuing to promote such schemes, and asks the court to order the defendants to disgorge all profits received as a result of the conservation easement syndicates. The defendants include a conservation manager/broker dealer, an appraiser, and various professionals associated with EcoVest Capital, Inc., an entity that sponsors real estate investments focused on conservation. The promotional materials mentioned in the compliant set forth an example where in exchange for a $750,000 investment, an investor would receive $2 million of deductions, generating tax savings of $1 million. The syndicates were sold as securities exempt from registration through broker-dealers. The easement syndicates involved properties located in Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Caroline, Tennessee, and Texas. Any taxpayer who may have invested in a syndicated conservation easement through EcoVest or any other investment advisor should carefully review Notice 2017-10 and related the disclosure requirements for listed transactions. Those taxpayers should also consult with a tax attorney to consider strategies for mitigating any damages. Contact Details Lance Wallach Phone number : 516-236-8440 Email : wallachinc@gmail.com Address : USA

The IRS has been cracking down on conservation easement transactions for over ten years. Nevertheless, taxpayers have continued to claim charitable contribution deductions attributable to the donation of conservation easements and promoters have continued to assemble investments utilizing conservation easement charitable deductions. The IRS began focusing on syndicated conservation easement transactions when it issued Notice 2017-10, designating syndicated conservation easement transactions as listed transactions. These syndicated investments involve the use of partnerships to raise funds from investors, who are allocated a share of a charitable contribution deduction attributable to conservation easements donated on land owned by the partnership. In fall of 2018, the IRS doubled down on its attacks of these investments when syndicated conservation easements were added to the list of LB&I compliance campaigns. While the IRS continues to crack down on these arrangements, taxpayers have continued litigating the finer points of these transactions. On the flipside, DOJ has begun cracking down on promoters who market these transactions. Below are details on the most recent developments. Lawsuits against Promoters The government had has enlisted another tactic for shutting down conservation easements by bringing actions against the organizers of conservation easement syndication schemes. On December 28, 2018, the Department of Justice filed a compliant in the Northern District of Georgia asserting that a group of defendants assembled partnership which were “nothing more than a thinly veiled sale of grossly overvalued federal tax deductions under the guise of investing in a partnership.” The complaint asserts that the defendants’ conservation easement syndicates have generated $2 billion in conservation easement charitable contribution deductions. The complaint seeks to enjoin the defendants from continuing to promote such schemes, and asks the court to order the defendants to disgorge all profits received as a result of the conservation easement syndicates. The defendants include a conservation manager/broker dealer, an appraiser, and various professionals associated with EcoVest Capital, Inc., an entity that sponsors real estate investments focused on conservation. The promotional materials mentioned in the compliant set forth an example where in exchange for a $750,000 investment, an investor would receive $2 million of deductions, generating tax savings of $1 million. The syndicates were sold as securities exempt from registration through broker-dealers. The easement syndicates involved properties located in Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Caroline, Tennessee, and Texas. Any taxpayer who may have invested in a syndicated conservation easement through EcoVest or any other investment advisor should carefully review Notice 2017-10 and related the disclosure requirements for listed transactions. Those taxpayers should also consult with a tax attorney to consider strategies for mitigating any damages. Contact details Lance Wallach Phone number : 516-236-8440 Email : wallachinc@gmail.com Address : USA

With the increased reporting requirements, IRS audits of conservation easement transactions have greatly increased. Instead of working collaboratively with taxpayers to seek a reasonable resolution, Revenue Agents are being directed to disallow deductions no matter what. With a high percentage of cases headed to litigation, taxpayers need to take every step to protect themselves now. With the increased reporting requirements, IRS audits of easement transactions have greatly increased. Instead of working collaboratively with taxpayers to seek a reasonable resolution, Revenue Agents are being directed to disallow deductions no matter what. With a high percentage of cases headed to litigation, taxpayers need to take every step to protect themselves now. Lance Wallach gets hundreds of phone calls to help people remove easement problems, fight IRS and get their money back from the promoters that sold them the easement. 516-236-8440 | wallachinc@gmail.com

With the increased reporting requirements, IRS audits of conservation easement transactions have greatly increased. Instead of working collaboratively with taxpayers to seek a reasonable resolution, Revenue Agents are being directed to disallow deductions no matter what. With a high percentage of cases headed to litigation, taxpayers need to take every step to protect themselves now. With the increased reporting requirements, IRS audits of easement transactions have greatly increased. Instead of working collaboratively with taxpayers to seek a reasonable resolution, Revenue Agents are being directed to disallow deductions no matter what. With a high percentage of cases headed to litigation, taxpayers need to take every step to protect themselves now. Lance Wallach gets hundreds of phone calls to help people remove easement problems, fight IRS and get their money back from the promoters that sold them the easement. 516-236-8440 | wallachinc@gmail.com

With the increased reporting requirements, IRS audits of conservation easement transactions have greatly increased. Instead of working collaboratively with taxpayers to seek a reasonable resolution, Revenue Agents are being directed to disallow deductions no matter what. With a high percentage of cases headed to litigation, taxpayers need to take every step to protect themselves now. With the increased reporting requirements, IRS audits of easement transactions have greatly increased. Instead of working collaboratively with taxpayers to seek a reasonable resolution, Revenue Agents are being directed to disallow deductions no matter what. With a high percentage of cases headed to litigation, taxpayers need to take every step to protect themselves now. Lance Wallach gets hundreds of phone calls to help people remove easement problems, fight IRS and get their money back from the promoters that sold them the easement. 516-236-8440 | wallachinc@gmail.com

The IRS is increasing it enforcement actions for syndicated conservation easement transactions. This includes more coordinated examinations across IRS divisions, as well as more criminal investigations. The IRS believes that these audits and investigations may cover billions of dollars of potentially inflated charitable contribution deductions for qualified conservation easements made through partnerships and limited liability companies (LLCs). |Google Lance Wallach and your advisor. Who do YOU trust? Lance Wallach 516-236-8440 Wallachinc@gmail.com

I don't have any quail on my property, but I have seen hundreds of fledglings lately! We may have beat the fire ants!!!!!

Abusive syndicated conservation easement transactions have been of concern to the IRS for several years. “Taxpayers should ignore this nonsense, take an objective look at their cases, and cut their losses,” said IRS chief counsel Mike Desmond in a statement. In typical listed syndicated conservation easement structures, promoters syndicate ownership interests in real property through partnerships, using promotional materials to suggest that prospective investors may be entitled to a share of a conservation easement contribution deduction that equals or exceeds two and one-half times the investment amount. The promoters obtain an appraisal that greatly inflates the value of the conservation easement based on a fictional and unrealistic highest and best use of the property before it was encumbered with the easement. After the investors put money into it, the partnership donates a conservation easement to a land trust. Investors in the partnership then claim a deduction based on an inflated value. The investors typically claim charitable contribution deductions that grossly multiply their actual investment in the transaction and defy common sense. In fact, professional liability experts see conservation easements as spiking the next wave of malpractice claims against accountants and tax preparers. The IRS is disallowing the tax deduction and fineing the taxpayer. Google Lance Wallach and whoever is giving you advice. Who do YOU believe?

Abusive syndicated conservation easement transactions have been of concern to the IRS for several years. “Taxpayers should ignore this nonsense, take an objective look at their cases, and cut their losses,” said IRS chief counsel Mike Desmond in a statement. In typical listed syndicated conservation easement structures, promoters syndicate ownership interests in real property through partnerships, using promotional materials to suggest that prospective investors may be entitled to a share of a conservation easement contribution deduction that equals or exceeds two and one-half times the investment amount. The promoters obtain an appraisal that greatly inflates the value of the conservation easement based on a fictional and unrealistic highest and best use of the property before it was encumbered with the easement. After the investors put money into it, the partnership donates a conservation easement to a land trust. Investors in the partnership then claim a deduction based on an inflated value. The investors typically claim charitable contribution deductions that grossly multiply their actual investment in the transaction and defy common sense. In fact, professional liability experts see conservation easements as spiking the next wave of malpractice claims against accountants and tax preparers. The IRS is disallowing the tax deduction and fineing the taxpayer. Google Lance Wallach and whoever is giving you advice. Who do you believe?

Excellent video on land management. Time for some new quail videos!

I've been dealing with this problem 9 years. It gets worse every year. A small creek flows though my acreage that forks from a larger creek that flows into Caddo lake. I suspect hunters are bringing more in to have them to hunt. They are becoming increasingly trap and gun shy.

i been gorging on wild pig videos of all kinds...i am distressed by it all...we are now paying the price for what used to be thot of as a ‘value added amenity’....these are nothing less than a plague on the land...just a matter of time before kids on the playground or at the park are gonna get killed...i want them all dead...not kids....the fuckin pigs...but we dont have the collective will...damn those guys that hauled them around and released them for hunting income opportunities....i blame them...they should be in leavenworth...